Bad Ally ([info]zenith) wrote,
@ 2008-02-08 14:23:00
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American citizens, start memorising - sorry, "memorizing" - this shit now
Things that might keep John McCain from becoming President.

Highlights:

Q: Which politician directly intervened to get the Arizona government to approve a $600 Million stadium for the Arizona Cardinals in Glendale, Arizona in 2003?

A: John McCain

Q: Which company was awarded the exclusive rights to serve alcohol at that stadium through 2010 - with a rubber-stamp extension through 2018?

A: Anheuser-Busch

Q: Which company has the Anheuser-Busch distribution rights for the Phoenix area?

A: The Hensley Company

Q: Who is Chairman of the Board of The Hensley Company?

A: Cindy Hensley McCain - his wife.

Q: Which Hensley Company executive was given a $48 Million bonus in 2003?

A: Cindy Hensley McCain.

Also:

McCain in 1999 said that, "even in the long term," he would not support the repeal of Roe v. Wade because "thousands of young American women would be performing illegal and dangerous operations." But last November he said that he now favored repeal because "I don't believe the Supreme Court should be legislating in the way that they did on Roe v. Wade."

What a straight-talking plain-dealer he is!

Start making your own circular emails now with which to annoy friends, co-workers and relatives.

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[info]braisedbywolves
2008-02-08 02:43 pm UTC (link)
Quiet! Wait until he gets the nomination, and not that terrifying weasel-faced ex-preacher!

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[info]dickmalone
2008-02-08 02:57 pm UTC (link)
Ha, many Americans might get the following message from that: "Wow, he got his team a new stadium?"

But yeah, kinda crazy. Rachel's dad--who is a presidential scholar!--said he might vote for McCain if Hillary gets nominated. Rachel had to yell at him about abortion for 10 minutes to straighten him out. I trust that whoever gets nominated will run lots of ads with McCain wearing an "ANTI-CHOICE" t-shirt or something.

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[info]pot80
2008-02-08 03:02 pm UTC (link)
Even still, I really wouldn't worry too much about McCain. There's no way that guy isn't going to melt down sometime between now and November.

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[info]prayinmantis
2008-02-09 07:06 am UTC (link)
wasn't he a POW for five years or something? am i making that up? do you think someone like that is going to melt down?

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[info]janinazew
2008-02-08 03:07 pm UTC (link)
Anti-choice T-shirts will only win him the Republican turn out he might not get.

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[info]dickmalone
2008-02-08 07:26 pm UTC (link)
Is the Republican base really going to listen to the Democrats and get convinced that McCain's conservative enough for them? They don't dislike him for his aggregate issue stances, which are as conservative as they come. They dislike him for a) immagration, b) campaign finance reform, and c) goading conservatives. Meanwhile, lotsa independents labor under the impression that McCain isn't all that conservative. They're the one that will need reminding.

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[info]janinazew
2008-02-08 10:10 pm UTC (link)
It's easy to forget those things when someone is telling you all the other ways someone is a conservative fool.

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[info]cherielabombe
2008-02-09 11:50 pm UTC (link)
And don't forget that the Christian Republicans *HATE* McCain. It's kind of fun watching the Repubs eat their own.

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[info]jackfear
2008-02-08 03:01 pm UTC (link)
If anything, this evidence of noxious greed will only endear him to the conservative base, who by and large see him as insufficiently dedicated to core conservative values—i.e., the creed that Being Rich Is The Only Thing That Matters.

Seriously. The conservative base loathes McCain. Lo-o-o-o-oathes him. They say he is not a true conservative because (a) he believes that progressive taxation has a legitimate place in the running of a government, (b) he says he wants to remove the influence of big money in political campaigning (while quietly accepting precisely the sorts of contributions he says he wants to outlaw), and (c) although he has said openly that he foresees American troops remaining in Ira for perhaps the next hundred years (!), he is disinclined to permit the use of torture as an instrument of US foreign policy.

This last, apparently, makes him Soft On Torture. That's how divorced from reality common decency these people are. John Mccain is a fucking monster, but he is not monstrous enough to please them.

McCain is for the Republicans of '08 as Kerry was for the Democrats in '04: an "electable," compromise candidate, but not someone that anybody is really excited about. The election is the Dems' to lose, and they'll have to screw the pooch pretty badly between now and November to fuck this up.

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[info]zenith
2008-02-08 03:05 pm UTC (link)
The election is the Dems' to lose, and they'll have to screw the pooch pretty badly nominate Hillary Clinton between now and November to fuck this up.

I'm aware of how the hard right of the party feel about McCain - but do they really hate him more than they hate Clinton?

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[info]janinazew
2008-02-08 03:09 pm UTC (link)
The point is to get a lot of the conservative right to stay at home on polling day. A smear campaign against McCain would be stupid because it might make the truly disgusting vote for him... the same people who elected Bush. That vote should not be mobilised.

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[info]jackfear
2008-02-08 03:22 pm UTC (link)
The white evangelical vote is the wild card here, to my mind. If Obama gets the Democratic nomination, I have a sneaking suspicion that we might see some of them—maybe not many, but maybe enough—gravitating towards himas they did towards Huckabee.

Obama speaks the language; his message is not explicitly Christian, but it's got the rhetoric and the cadence, and I have a hunch that many evangelicals will respond to that—the rhythms, if not the melody.

Just a thought. We'll see, I guess.

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[info]cherielabombe
2008-02-10 12:04 am UTC (link)
BUT HE SUPPORTS ABORTION!!!!

Seriously James Dobson said he would NEVER vote for McCain under any circumstances - you think the same people who follow that guy would get behind Barack Hussein Obama?

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[info]cherielabombe
2008-02-09 11:53 pm UTC (link)
Well it was Bush & Co. who smeared McCain the first time around (in 2000), and look who got the presidency out of that deal!

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[info]jackfear
2008-02-08 03:14 pm UTC (link)
I don't know: I think one of the lessons of '04 is that people want to vote for something, not just against. GWB was a hated and divisive figure in '04, and the rallying cry for the Dems was "Anyone but Bush"—but in the end it's the uncommitted center that wins elections, and John Kerry simply wasn't a strong enough presence for them to get excited.


Flash forward four years: HRC is divisive, even hated, and the GOP war call is "Beat the bitch." But do you think that fear of a Hillary White House is going to draw the uncommitted center to back a figure as uninspiring as John McCain?

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[info]braisedbywolves
2008-02-08 03:24 pm UTC (link)
He may not be inspiring, but he is personable, which can go a long way. Particularly to people who don't care a lot about politics. Telling his questioner in the House to "lighten up and get a life" when asked about joking about giving Jon Stewart a IUD IED on The Tonight Show = worth an hour of nationwide ads.

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[info]cherielabombe
2008-02-09 11:51 pm UTC (link)
do they really hate him more than they hate Clinton?

No.

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[info]braisedbywolves
2008-02-08 03:20 pm UTC (link)
Poor old Ira...

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[info]gloriamunty
2008-02-08 03:31 pm UTC (link)
LOL

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[info]jackfear
2008-02-08 04:53 pm UTC (link)
Me = Idiot

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[info]prayinmantis
2008-02-09 07:06 am UTC (link)
dear britain, why don't you spell it "citisens?" love, meg

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[info]cherielabombe
2008-02-10 12:01 am UTC (link)
LOL.

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[info]cherielabombe
2008-02-10 12:01 am UTC (link)
Well, truthfully NOBODY likes McCain. The conservatives don't like him because he's not conservative enough for them, and of course the liberals don't like him because McCain IS actually a conservative.

I clap my hands with glee if he goes up against Obama. Tired old McCain against young, sexy "Kennedy-esque" Barry? Oh bring it on!

But truthfully I think Hillary COULD win against McCain as well. The Dems would all get behind her and Dems are voting 2-1 in the primaries versus the Republicans (since the GOP aren't happy with any of their candidates). And yes, I think the "Anybody but Clinton" thing would backfire (although certainly the possibility of Clinton Part II would energize some people to get out and vote against her) in the end because she'd still be getting the name recognition and she could win. And also McCain is so old Clinton would look young and fresh next to him.

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